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Ítalo Cedeño seated on the Café la Posta set during the interview
GuestÍtalo CedeñoGeneral manager of Petroecuador

Still from the interview. Investigation material

RundownCafé la PostaAugust 1, 2022
OrderSegmentSource
  1. 01The manager with 45 years in oilLive interview
  2. 02The résuméAudio · Marta Morla and Carla Gonzaga
  3. 03The officeReport with redacted data
  4. 04The chatsScreenshots and Signal call log
  5. 05The bankVideo · Banco Pichincha branch
  6. 06CarondeletSchedule for July 8, 2022
  7. 07The contractsPetroecuador contracts
  8. 08ClosingAndersson Boscán's conclusion
Sole guest · Ítalo CedeñoTotal 50 min
Café la Posta · August 1, 2022 · Petroecuador

The manager's wife

Ítalo Cedeño became general manager of Petroecuador on January 1, 2022, appointed by Guillermo Lasso. Seven months later he sat down at Café la Posta to answer questions about his wife: an audio recording in which she recommended job candidates to the head of human resources, an intelligence report that placed her in the manager's office directing hiring, chats with officials and Signal calls to a senior executive who had been fired. On air, Cedeño acknowledged that she had influence over his work during the first month and that he had confessed it to the president at a private meeting at Carondelet. That same night the president asked the board to remove him, and the next day he resigned.

Outlet La PostaPublished August 1, 2022
50 minlength of the interview with the manager
1 monthof influence by his wife, as Cedeño acknowledged
Jul 8, 2022private meeting with Lasso at Carondelet
7declared bank accounts: five in Ecuador, two in the United States
Yellow and black duotone of an empty executive chair in front of an oil drilling rig, with a lit cell phone on the desk and a paper envelope to one side. AI-generated illustration.
In four sentences
  1. Petroecuador is the company with the most money in the country. In December 2021 Guillermo Lasso appointed Ítalo Cedeño as general manager. A petroleum engineer from Espol with 45 years in the industry, he arrived promising to double production in five years.
  2. Seven months in, La Posta had gathered what dozens of career officials handed over: an audio recording of the manager's wife, Marta Morla, recommending a candidate's résumé to the head of human resources; an intelligence report describing her directing hiring from her husband's office; chats in which she says she will interview candidates and decide; and Signal calls to a senior official.
  3. On August 1, 2022, Cedeño was the show's only guest. He acknowledged that during the first month his wife had influence over him, that he asked her to stop getting involved, and that he told the president so at a private meeting on July 8 at Carondelet, with Iván Correa, Xavier Vera and Roberto Salas present.
  4. Lasso's Decree 4, his code of ethics, bars relatives of senior officials from contacting public agencies or communicating with officials. Boscán closed the show by noting that the violation is grounds for removal from office.
Chapter 1

The manager with 45 years in oil

Ítalo Cedeño is a petroleum engineer from Espol, with graduate studies at Harvard and a master's degree from Venezuela, where he lived for five years. He has spent 45 years in the sector, public and private. He had already retired when Iván Correa called him to talk with Guillermo Lasso. He was appointed in December 2021, took office on January 1, 2022, and started work on the 3rd, the first business day. Lasso asked him to bring production to one million barrels a day, the campaign promise. Cedeño replied that doubling hydrocarbon output takes five years, from January 1, 2022, to December 31, 2026, and that he expects the government to end its term at about 900,000 barrels per day.

Ítalo Cedeño, manager of Petroecuador
Ítalo Cedeño, manager of Petroecuador

The first time Boscán heard his name, it was as a candidate backed by Guadalupe Llori, then president of the National Assembly. Cedeño acknowledged a friendship dating back to when she was prefect of Orellana and he was producing oil in the middle of the binational strikes, but said some twenty people could have suggested him and that the associations of petroleum engineers had asked the president to appoint him. When he arrived he built a ring of about twenty people he trusted. El Universo described the circle as made up of industry faces and some controversial figures: Jaime Pinos Manzano as company attorney, Salgado in marketing, Cerón in exploration, Rafael Armendáriz in operational coordination and Pablo Novoa in international trade.

The manager's inner circle

The trusted few

The managerÍtalo Cedeño
  • The wifeMarta Morla

    Not a public official. An audio recording, an intelligence report, chats and calls show her recommending, interviewing and deciding on staff

  • The lawyerCarla Gonzaga

    Head of human resources when she received the manager's wife's recommended résumé. Cedeño moved her to the company's legal office

  • The company attorneyJaime Pinos Manzano

    Petroecuador's chief attorney. Former adviser to Patricio Rivera under the Correa government; the most controversial appointment, according to El Universo

  • The exploration chiefVladimir Cerón

    Manager of exploration and production. A source identified him entering the bank with the manager's wife; Cedeño says it is not him

  • The international trade chiefPablo Novoa

    Manager of international trade, the post Cedeño calls the country's paycheck

  • The friend from OrellanaGuadalupe Llori

    Former president of the National Assembly. Cedeño acknowledges a friendship dating back to when she was prefect; her son-in-law has drilling rig contracts with the company

Boscán asked him about Carla Gonzaga, a lawyer in the legal department. Rumors said she was his relative or that his wife had placed her there. Cedeño denied any family tie and said she is not part of his inner circle. But he admitted that she had been head of human resources and that he moved her to another post: Caesar's wife must not only be honest but also appear to be. The reason for that move was in an audio recording.

Chapter 2

Caesar's wife

Show rundown

Segment by segment

Café la PostaAugust 1, 2022Sole guest · Ítalo Cedeño50 min
OrderSegmentWhat was shownHow Cedeño responded
  1. 01
    The manager with 45 years in oilWho he is and how he got thereLive interview

    His résumé: 45 years in the sector, retired and called by Iván Correa to talk with Lasso.

    • Friendship with Guadalupe Llori since she was prefect of Orellana

      Acknowledges
    • That she pushed him into the post

      Denies
  2. 02
    The résuméThe audio with human resourcesAudio · Marta Morla and Carla Gonzaga

    The manager's wife recommends an official who worked with the president of the National Assembly.

    • His wife's influence during the first month

      Acknowledges
    • That she appoints or fires anyone: I'm the one who decides

      Denies
  3. 03
    The officeThe intelligence reportReport with redacted data

    The spouse, who holds no public post, frequently appears in the office directing hiring.

    • That the report exists

      Argues
    • That she directed hiring

      Denies
  4. 04
    The chatsReplace the entire top brassScreenshots and Signal call log

    Messages about interviews and job changes, and calls to a senior official through February.

    • The chats are his wife's

      Acknowledges
    • That he ordered those changes

      Denies
  5. 05
    The bankThe June 15 videoVideo · Banco Pichincha branch

    The wife walks in with a company executive and leaves through the back with an envelope.

    • That his wife appears in the video

      Acknowledges
    • Knowing what was in the envelope

      Argues
  6. 06
    CarondeletThe private meetingSchedule for July 8, 2022

    Lasso, Iván Correa, Minister Vera, Roberto Salas and Cedeño. The government classified it as confidential.

    • That he told the president after the meal

      Acknowledges
    • That the meeting was about his wife

      Denies
  7. 07
    The contractsDrilling rigs and payment ordersPetroecuador contracts

    Three drilling rig contracts held by Guadalupe Llori's son-in-law during his administration.

    • That the contracts exist

      Acknowledges
    • Having handled them: exploration and production deals with that

      Denies
  8. 08
    ClosingNot knowing is one thingAndersson Boscán's conclusion

    The government's code of ethics punishes what is immoral, not only what is illegal, and that is grounds for dismissal.

    • Facing the questions the same day, without a single document

      Acknowledges
Off air
  • Aug 1, 2022Confession on air

    The manager admitted his wife's influence and the private meeting.

  • Aug 1, 2022The order

    Lasso asked Petroecuador's board to remove the manager that same night.

  • Aug 2, 2022The resignation

    Cedeño submitted his irrevocable resignation, seven months after taking office.

9:47
The interview, relevant excerpt

La Posta played an audio recording of Marta Morla, the manager's wife, talking with Carla Gonzaga, then head of human resources. She tells her about a young man who worked for the past three years with the president of the National Assembly and who resigned out of loyalty when she stepped down: I have a résumé, I don't know if you'd like to meet the gentleman and see what you think. The two women call themselves Charlie's Angels. Cedeño recognized the voices. Boscán summed up the problem: someone who does not work for Petroecuador was recommending résumés for Petroecuador, and that someone is the manager's wife.

At the beginning, the first month, only that month, my wife had influence, just as I imagine your wife also has influence over you, giving advice. I told her: Caesar's wife must not only be honest but also appear to be. Don't get involved, because you're hurting me. She never did it again. That's what I told the president.

Ítalo Cedeño, general manager of Petroecuador, on Café la Posta, August 1, 2022

Next came an intelligence report from his first months in office, with private data redacted. The relevant section says that a human source revealed that Ítalo Cedeño's spouse, although not an employee of Petroecuador EP, is frequently seen in her husband's office, where she directs and handles the hiring of staff as well as contracting processes with outside suppliers of goods and services. Boscán offered him the full document so he could take it up with the National Police or the Strategic Intelligence Center.

Then the chats. In one, the wife writes to an official: Martita, what was done with Mónica seems very important to me; we have to keep replacing the entire top brass, it's urgent and very necessary, otherwise they will immediately become our fierce detractors and they will finish us off. In another: at 12:15 I can interview one and at 12:30 another; it doesn't matter if Carla interviews them first; I won't decide until after I've interviewed them. And the phone log of a senior official who was fired: calls from the wife over Signal, the channel that leaves no record when the Attorney General's Office (Fiscalía) investigates, on January 31 and February 10 and 15, 2022. It wasn't just the first month.

Art. 6of Decree 4, Lasso's code of ethics: relatives of senior officials may not contact public agencies or communicate with officials to lobby for anything
3Signal calls from the wife to a senior official who was later fired: January 31 and February 10 and 15, 2022
Aug 1, 2022 · The interview with Ítalo Cedeño (first segment)

Café la Posta: corruption at Petroecuador and Customs

01/08/2022 · Original on YouTube ↗

Cedeño answered everything with the same argument: I'm the one who decides. He said that in January his wife wanted to help him choose honest people and get rid of corrupt ones; that Petroecuador officials have been her friends for thirty or forty years; that if anyone has something against her they should go to the Attorney General's Office and sign a complaint; and that all the audio recordings came from a woman who felt wronged because he threw out the whole mafia she had at Petroecuador, who recorded him and tried to extort him. I'd rather die than be extorted, he said. He said he had filed a complaint with the Attorney General's Office so that everything would be investigated. Boscán reminded him of Article 6 of Decree 4 and showed him that the communications continued into February.

Chapter 3

The bank, Carondelet and the contracts

Boscán showed a video from June 15, 2022: the manager's wife walks into the Banco Pichincha branch on González Suárez with a man a source identified as Cerón, the manager of exploration and production, and leaves through the back with an envelope. Cedeño said it is not Cerón, that Cerón has a beard and is taller, that his wife has a real estate business and that nobody conducts illicit business in a bank. The question remained: what was the manager's wife doing going in and out of a bank branch with a company executive?

Then the private meeting of July 8, 2022, at Carondelet: President Lasso, Iván Correa, Minister Xavier Vera, Roberto Salas and Cedeño. The government classified it as confidential. Cedeño described it as a briefing on projects and said that after the meal they talked about the gossip on social media. There, swearing to God, he said he told the president the same thing he said on air: that in the first month his wife had influence over him, advising him on honest officials, and that he asked her to stop interfering. According to the account of others present that reached La Posta, the conversation was tense, and it covered several months and a demand that he stop doing bad things. Cedeño denied it.

Xavier Vera Grunauer
Xavier Vera GrunauerXavier Vera, the energy minister, was at the private meeting on July 8, 2022, at Carondelet, along with Iván Correa, Roberto Salas and Cedeño himself.Photo: Presidency of the Republic of Ecuador · Public domain · Wikimedia Commons

Not knowing is one thing, Mr. President, and not wanting to know is another. Of course you won't find out if you don't investigate. Of course you won't find out if you don't allow the investigations.

Andersson Boscán, closing remarks on Café la Posta, August 1, 2022

There were more questions. Cristian Lozada, Guadalupe Llori's son-in-law, holds three drilling rig contracts with Petroecuador under Cedeño's administration; Cedeño said exploration and production handles that and that he needs every drilling rig in the country to reach the target. A multimillion-dollar payment order to the Orellana family for expropriated properties in Esmeraldas; Cedeño said he paid on a judge's order, under an agreement with the Office of the Solicitor General and without interest, to avoid going to jail. His assets: his 2022 sworn declaration lists seven accounts, five in Ecuador and two in the United States, and a net worth of 1.2 million dollars; he said he has no accounts in tax havens and pays about 60,000 dollars in taxes a year. His children live in the United States and, according to him, none of them works for an oil services company.

$1.2 Mnet worth in his 2022 sworn declaration
Chapter 4

How it ended

Cedeño thanked Boscán for the interview and said that someone with something to hide doesn't go near the fire: he wanted to respond right away, without a single document, because his conduct is honest. Boscán credited him for facing the questions. But he closed the show with the fact that mattered: President Lasso set the bar high with a code of ethics that punishes not only what is illegal but what is immoral, and that is grounds for dismissal. Since the July 8 meeting, the president already knew about the direct influence of the manager's wife over hiring and appointments that belong to the manager, not to his family circle.

Cedeño reads his answer
Cedeño reads his answer

The answer came that same night. President Lasso asked Petroecuador's board to remove the general manager, and on August 2, 2022, Cedeño got ahead of it and submitted his irrevocable resignation, seven months after taking office with the goal of doubling production. The interview cost him his job. On June 28, 2023, in the same studio, oil workers' union leader David Almeida spoke about the company's corruption scandals and, without naming him, referred to the general manager who fell from that chair and who, he said, had persecuted him for telling the truth. By then Petroecuador had a lawyer as energy minister, Fernando Santos Alvite, and a union fight over the company's workers' committee.

Guillermo Lasso
Guillermo LassoPresident Guillermo Lasso asked Petroecuador's board that same night to remove the manager. On August 2, 2022, Cedeño submitted his irrevocable resignation.Photo: National Assembly of Ecuador · CC BY-SA 2.0 · Wikimedia Commons

The case left a question about power in state-owned companies: who decides when the man who signs admits that his wife interviewed, recommended and decided? And another about the president who classified as confidential the meeting where he found out.

Two panels

What La Posta showed, what the manager acknowledged

What was published

  • Audio with human resourcesThe wife recommends a résumé
  • Intelligence reportShe directs hiring from the office
  • Chats and SignalInterviews, job changes and calls through February
  • June 15 videoShe enters the bank with an executive and leaves with an envelope

How he responded

  • The wife's influenceAcknowledged, one month
  • That she appoints or firesDenied: I'm the one who decides
  • Private meeting with LassoAcknowledged, July 8, 2022
  • Departure from the postResigned on August 2, 2022, after Lasso's order

Updated September 5, 2026

What's missing

Unanswered questions

  1. Who is the man who entered the Banco Pichincha branch with the manager's wife on June 15, 2022, and what was in the envelope?
  2. Which Petroecuador hires and appointments went through the interviews the manager's wife announced in the chats?
  3. What happened to the extortion complaint Cedeño said he filed with the Attorney General's Office?
  4. Why did the president wait from July 8 until the interview aired to ask for the manager's departure?
Timeline

Step by step

  1. Dec 2021
    Appointed

    Lasso names Cedeño general manager of Petroecuador.

  2. Jan 3, 2022
    First business day

    Cedeño takes office with the goal of doubling production in five years.

  3. Jan 2022
    The first month

    The audio: the wife recommends a résumé to the head of human resources.

  4. Jan 31 to Feb 15, 2022
    Signal

    Calls from the wife to a senior official who was later fired.

  5. Jun 15, 2022
    The bank

    Video of the wife entering a Pichincha branch with an executive.

  6. Jul 8, 2022
    Carondelet

    Private meeting: Lasso, Correa, Vera, Salas and Cedeño.

  7. Aug 1, 2022
    The interview

    Cedeño acknowledges his wife's influence on air.

  8. Aug 1, 2022
    The order

    After the interview, Lasso asked the board to remove the manager.

  9. Aug 2, 2022
    The resignation

    Cedeño resigned irrevocably.

  10. Jun 28, 2023
    The chair

    An oil union leader alludes to the manager who fell from that chair.

The names

Who's who

ÍC
Resigned on August 2, 2022, after Lasso ordered his dismissal

Ítalo Cedeño

General manager of Petroecuador since January 1, 2022. Acknowledged his wife's influence during the first month.

MM
No known case filed

Marta Morla

The manager's wife. Holds no public post. An audio recording, an intelligence report, chats and calls link her to hiring.

CG
No known case filed

Carla Gonzaga

Head of human resources who received the résumé. Moved to the company's legal office.

VC
Cedeño denies it is him

Vladimir Cerón

Manager of exploration and production. A source identifies him in the bank video.

GL
No case filed

Guadalupe Llori

Former president of the National Assembly. A friend of Cedeño's; her son-in-law Cristian Lozada holds three drilling rig contracts.

Guillermo Lasso
Classified the meeting as confidential

Guillermo Lasso

President. Appointed Cedeño and was informed at the private meeting on July 8, 2022.

XV
Present at the private meeting

Xavier Vera

Energy minister. Present at the Carondelet meeting.

Photos via Wikimedia Commons. Guillermo Lasso: Presidency of the Republic of Ecuador (Public domain).

The other side

Responses and reactions

  • Ítalo Cedeño

    He acknowledged that in the first month his wife had influence, advising him on honest people, and that he asked her to stop getting involved; he maintained that only he appoints and fires; he attributed the audio recordings to a woman who recorded him to extort him after her people were removed; he said he had filed a complaint with the Attorney General's Office; he denied that the man in the bank video is Cerón; he denied having accounts in tax havens.

  • Ítalo Cedeño on the Carondelet meeting

    He swore that he told the president exactly what he said on air: one month, not several, and never that his wife did anything wrong. The president, he said, understood.

  • Presidency of the Republic

    Classified the July 8, 2022, meeting as confidential. No public response appears in the show.

The pieces

The other videos

Jun 28, 2023 · Petroecuador a year later: the allusion to the manager who fell from that chair

How is Petroecuador being run?

28/06/2023 · 2:05:34Original on YouTube ↗
What was said on air

The transcripts

Café la Posta: corruption at Petroecuador and Customs

08/01/2022 · 16,359 words

something in government work Stay tuned to café la posta all week because starting this week we begin talking about corruption in the national government today corruption petroecuador question mark so that normally in the lawsuit That's the trap not all the questions Exactly corruption Petro Ecuador serious very serious allegations involve the president the board Ecuador the gentleman right now the cedeños…

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How is Petroecuador being run?

06/28/2023 · 19,684 words

you can also watch it on la posta's social media But there's much more going on soon the elections for the union leadership of petroecuador's workers' committee will even be held and this has allowed several anomalies and irregularities in the entity to come to light to be uncovered we will be reviewing that and we will also be able to talk about legal actions filed that the current …

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Afterward

What happened next

Aug 1, 2022

Confession on air

The manager admitted his wife's influence and the private meeting.

Aug 1, 2022

The order

Lasso asked Petroecuador's board to remove the manager that same night.

Aug 2, 2022

The resignation

Cedeño submitted his irrevocable resignation, seven months after taking office.

Follow the thread

Other cases that intersect

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Outlet
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Show
August 1, 2022
  1. Café la Posta · Corruption at Petroecuador and Customs (Aug 1, 2022)
  2. Café la Posta · How is Petroecuador being run? (Jun 28, 2023)
  3. Primicias · Lasso removed Ítalo Cedeño as head of Petroecuador (Aug 1, 2022)
  4. El Universo · Cedeño got ahead of his removal and resigned (Aug 2, 2022)
  5. GK · Ítalo Cedeño resigned from Petroecuador; Lasso ordered his removal (Aug 2, 2022)

The audio recordings, chats, intelligence report and bank video were shown by La Posta on August 1, 2022; Cedeño responded to each one in the same interview. His departure from the post is recorded in the press over the following days: Lasso asked the board to remove him on the night of August 1 and Cedeño resigned on August 2 (Primicias, Ecuavisa, El Universo, GK). The names of the manager's wife and of the former head of human resources are spelled as they were pronounced on air; the press spelled the wife's name as Martha Morlas. The videos are the original shows, hosted on this site.